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Okay, well today's episode is all about the role of AI in publishing. I found this just a fantastic conversation because it's something completely different than we've talked about in the past. I learned from the guest how an LLM handles answers from questions asked about book content to an LLM.
Yeah, and I thought the whole discussion around digital rights protections for authors and the differences between those rights in the US versus Europe is just fascinating discussion because large language models are built around content and authors are creating that content. How did the authors fit into the scheme? That's what we learned about today.
That's right, well, I'm Greg, my co-host Clint. We're gonna jump into the episode right now.
Clint (02:01.688)
Let's do it.
Greg (02:06.296)
Today we're joined by Julie Trellstad, a 30 year publishing veteran and the head of US publishing at AMLIT.ai. She's one of the leading voices helping authors and publishers navigate AI, digital rights and the future of content ownership. Julie has worked across every corner of publishing, from major publishing houses to global distribution. And now she's building the infrastructure that will define how creative work is used and protected in the AI era.
So Julie, welcome to the prompt this podcast.
Thank you, happy to be here.
Yeah, it's great to have you there. was telling Greg earlier, this is probably one of the most exciting episodes for me because we have just not dug into this topic of digital rights and being a creator in today's AI era and everything around that. I think this is going to be really fun, neat episode for our audience that we just haven't touched on before.
Yeah, I don't think people are really thinking about it that much yet.
Clint (03:05.858)
Well, let's first touch a little bit on your background in the publishing industry and what was your journey that led to you becoming a digital rights advocate.
Well, I actually studied architecture in college and got an early job in architecture publishing. in that, I got that job because I knew how to use computer aided design in the nineties, like with computers. And, I very quickly became the office geek we did and helped them install desktop publishing. And in subsequent jobs, I was there for the beginning of eBooks, which we did on CD-ROM at John Wiley and Sons and later eBooks on Amazon as well as
audio books, digital audio books, authors having to use social media like everything internet really changed the industry. And recently I've had a chance to join AMLIT AI to help authors in the United States understand their digital rights vis-a-vis AI, which is a brand new topic this in the last year.
Yeah, that's a big topic. mean, how many times are people going to an AI system and asking about books and maybe they don't own the book? These are all interesting topics that we'll dig into today. Tell us a little bit more about what's been evolving in this space over the last couple of years.
What we're seeing that's making a lot of authors very angry is that the original LLMs, OpenAI and Claude and Gemini, I understand that they've been in development for a really long time but weren't very good until they started eating books for lunch. And by that I mean they started ingesting large amounts of previously published high quality content and they did this without anybody's permission.
Julie Trelstad (04:48.332)
They did not ask publishers. They did not ask authors. And so that happened and the models got really good and then they seem like they can write like an author, but it's only because of what they basically ate.
I remember that Google announcing like 10, 15 years ago on how they were setting out to digitize every book. I remember seeing articles of these high quality cameras being pointed down at a book. Now that's kind of the eating the books that you're talking about,
That's a really similar case and actually that's it's kind of like an echo of what's happening now that publishers at that time sued Google for like digitizing all these books. And ultimately Google won that case because what they determined is that they were not taking away the market for written books. They were in fact making it easier for people to discover books and all of a sudden booksellers and publishers were seeing sales of books that hadn't sold for 20 years.
because they were now discoverable on Google Books. And Google Books made it so that you had to pay for a book to get to the whole thing. So it ended up not being cannibalistic. We feel like publishers have sued OpenAI and Clot and Tropic recently for very similar things. They said, like, this is competitive. You are taking away our livelihood. You are taking our revenue. The jury is still out, literally, as to whether or not
the rise of AI and these models are in fact hurting authors. But there was a huge settlement last year for over a billion dollars from Anthropic that forced them to pay authors close to $3,000 a piece for everyone that was known to have been scraped. In other words, was known to have been ingested into these models. And that's a lot of money. And even though these companies are deep pocketed, I think they would rather pay authors
Julie Trelstad (06:45.442)
to use the material and compensate them than they would to do it later. Authors would rather they didn't do it at all.
So, you for our listeners, you talk about a digital fingerprint and in books and what is it and why does it matter?
Yeah, so what AMLIT has done is AMLIT was founded in Europe where the laws are a little bit different around AI. So in 2019, they introduced a new law in Europe that basically said that if you use content in an AI model or for training computer purposes, you must compensate the author. That is not true in the US or other places around the globe, but in Europe it is. so for that, the founders of
of AMLIT, which is the company I'm working for, Titas Pan, actually started by developing something he called the ISCC, which is the fingerprint you're referring to. is the International Standard Content Code. Now, you might all be familiar with the ISBN number that's at the back of the book that identifies it or the copyright that book owners get.
It's similar to that in that it is a way to identify a piece of work. And the way it works is like a publisher or author will upload their book or use the, the ICC software to create a fingerprint. And then they put that fingerprint out in public, which is not the work itself, but it's enough to identify the work to any machine. AMLIT then adds a registry to that, if that's making sense. So you can put your ICCs in AMLIT and you can tell AMLIT
Julie Trelstad (08:25.994)
whether or not you're open to allowing your work to be used for training, whether you're open to allowing your work to be used in generative AI applications, and by open, in other words, you're open to be paid for that, or if your work is strictly off limits and that computers who can see this API should not touch it.
So how educate our authors that this is even available to them?
The most don't know yet we're brand new. right. Solving a technical. Creating an infrastructure so you can definitely put on the copyright page of your book AI stay away do not copy and you can you know put in your contract or it hasn't been in publishing contracts like AI rights. You know they have audio rights play rights. Foreign rights movie rights but AI rights have not been in publishing contracts.
You're changing things!
Clint (09:11.778)
Mm-hmm.
Julie Trelstad (09:17.728)
So even, you know, this is something very, very new to guess that an author could actually be compensated for work that if their work appears in a chat GPT chat.
Mm-hmm. You were talking a bit about how the laws are different between the US and Europe. How does that kind of play out, practically speaking?
Well, in the US lawsuits that basically where the authors guild and a number of authors sued these big AI companies, the case was determined on the fact that these AI companies used pirated works. So in other words, they went to a database on the web and the dark web and they actually ingested books that were stolen and never paid for. That is against the law in the United States. But the United States basically says, or at least so far the law said, it is totally legit.
for companies to use AR2 printed and published works and training an AI model. If they pay for it, but if they pay for it means they maybe bought a single copy or they went to the Strand, they used bookstore and like those Google cameras, they scanned it in. They don't really have to pay a licensing fee worth what that's really worth to an author. A price of one book is nothing.
Yeah, exactly. If you buy one book for 20 bucks and then you distribute it to 20 million people, it doesn't seem like the fair exchange of value there.
Julie Trelstad (10:41.492)
No, not at all. mean, even libraries pay a lot more for a single copy of a book because it's understood that that book is going to be in circulation.
So let's kind take it to a practical example here for a minute. So I'm going to pull a book off my shelf here, right? I've got the book called The Marketing High Ground by Michael Gospi, who by the way happens to be my neighbor. So that's why it's sitting in my arms reach here. And if I started asking Chat Cheapie T about this book and I own a copy of the book, is everything kosher from a legal perspective?
Well, I think we were talking, yeah, it is, you know, you could actually photograph that book and upload it and like you could take picture with your cell phone and ask ChatGPT to like digest this page for you as long as you're using it for personal use. If you're asking ChatGPT about that book and it already knows about that book, that book was scraped or there's a web search that has happened and they have found reviews of the book or even a pirated copy or other material about the book. may not be actually getting
that book's material in that response, and it may not be accurate.
This is kind of driving the whole issue.
Greg (11:52.204)
This opens up some interesting thoughts. So if I'm asking about, for instance, if I'm in sales, sales training, and I'm asking about some training books that I don't have, and I'm asking about the methodology in it, I might not even be getting the actual information back that is in that methodology.
Yeah, most likely you're getting a magazine article about that book describing what was in the book. But if that book was scraped, and there were a lot of them, there were hundreds of thousands, millions of books. So it probably is in there. But there are some gaps and limits on how much OpenAI or Anthropic is going to deliver about that book. And nobody to date really has since their materials yet. So anything you're seeing in the models,
that came out in 2024, 2025, that all is the scraping age, as we like to call it. And we are now in the post-scraping age. So hopefully your models will become more trustworthy.
Yeah, so you say if we own a book, then we can use AI to interact or talk about the book that we own. What do you do?
Yeah. mean, if you own Kindle books and there's no digital rights management, which is what publishers have applied to books to try to get pirates to not take them, although that did not work at all. It usually prevents you as the reader from moving it from device to device, but it doesn't really do much. But if you have a book that has no digital rights management on it, like an EPUB file or like a PDF file of that book,
Julie Trelstad (13:30.58)
You can load it into your AI chat or into your AI application and have a conversation with the book. But again, personal use only, and you bought that book. If you, if you resell that, then you get into some issues. Although if it's like one piece of research over a larger body of work, say you're writing a new book based on, you know, other people's books as well, and you don't use very much of it you just take one idea, that's good, but I would very much verify. In fact, check that before you put it out into the public. It may not be right.
So we're living, or yesterday was a world of scraped content. Yes. And a lot of content about from books inside of ChatGPT or Copilot or Gemini that you don't really know the pedigree of it and you don't know if it's the full book or just a summary of the book that you're actually asking questions about. And then you describe this new technology that your company is involved with to start putting some new type of digital rights. Let's describe the new world.
What does this brave new world look like that we're navigating towards?
I don't know if the large language models are going to continue to dominate or not. The attitude about that is like these books were never ingested, shall we say, to be used as they are. They were brought in and created a model to create a mathematical algorithm. If you load 100 business books or 1,000 business books, what the chat models are going to be giving you is the most likely 10 words that come after the next word based on the context of your search.
So it's going to mush all of these different books into one big oatmeal. And you're going to get the most common response. So you're definitely not going to get The Outlier. Maybe you're not going to get Malcolm Gladwell. I don't know. But it's not meant to replicate the individual book. So in the future, what we would love to see happen are a lot of smaller, more specialized language models. Or even seeing this in Scandinavia, for instance, they're creating a language model around a single textbook.
Julie Trelstad (15:31.054)
that would have only, it would be led with only the information from very credible sources. So you would be, you would like know the ingredients in the label, right? So you know when it went in and it could be more trustworthy. And I always use the example of a medical app. Say you want medical information, it would be so much better to have that coming from a peer reviewed journal or medical textbook than say from scraped comments off WebMD.
So what should I be doing different today versus yesterday as the general end consumer end user out there wanting to make sure that the authors, the creators get properly compensated, I want to use ChatGPT or whatever tool to get the full value out of what I have. How should I best approach it from a perspective?
buy your books. And buy the DRM free versions if you want to put them into chat. There are tools and I'm not going to mention them here, but you can go to Reddit and find them that will allow you to decompose your books so that those protections come off. But again, personal use only, let's not resell them. Let's not put them out on the market. I think it's great and I would be very excited to see if in the next couple of years
if we have not only soft covers, hard covers, ebooks, audiobooks, but also that, I mean, why couldn't we buy a file of that book that not only has the book contents, but also has instructions on how to use it and instructions for the AI on how to apply it in a chat and to help, say, somebody learn this material. I'm sure certainly students are using that to help them digest things that they're reading. And I think there are a couple of applications. think Eden, which used to be Cortex.
is one where you can actually pull in your Kindle library. There's an app called Readwise that a lot of people use with their Kindle and you can highlight a lot of pieces of the book and then you can bring your Readwise highlights into a chat. But I'm not here to tell you to pirate all your books. It's like support your blog there.
Clint (17:32.558)
Of course not. Of course not. We'll clearly state that here, that no recommendations along those lines have been made. It's a big topic, So just personal anecdote here for a moment. Both my kids are dyslexic, and reading is always a challenge for them. It always takes them two, three, four times longer to read a book than somebody who doesn't have that kind of learning difference. And in there, they've gravitated towards finding every book they can.
Yeah, yeah.
Clint (18:01.322)
in a PDF format so that they can read it, they can leverage the speech, the text to speech tools that are out there. that, cause they do a better job listening to a book than reading a book, but not all books are. And there's this kind of whole black market out there of all this content that is trying to be digitally accessible, but it's like the publishing industry hasn't caught up. So your whole idea of an AI enabled book that you can have both the, you know,
I actually don't buy many hard copy books these days. I buy mostly Kindle books. But it's hard to get that content out of Kindle into a format that a learning difference reader is trying to get access to. It's a real problem out there. The industry hasn't caught up. And it sounds like you're trying to push it forward.
Yeah, like I know a couple of people who work really hard in the X accessible ebooks format version and actually it's kind of funny ebooks were the very first ever kind of accessible document and what I mean by that is they were actually designed like the first daisy what it was called was the very first version of an ebook was designed so that a vision impaired person could enlarge the
the text. like the first people I knew who were avid ebook readers were mostly octogenarians for the reason that they could lift the book and also that they could see it in a really big text. And to the point, Clint, you know, 20 years ago, we were distributing our, when I had my own publishing company, that was like 15 years ago, I was distributing it through a service that created Books for Dyslexics that made the last letter of each word larger.
like in the world that made it easier for them to read and I don't even know what happened to that or if those apps are even available I don't think it's on the
Clint (19:50.7)
It all kind of faded away and been dominated by the, largely speaking, the text-to-speech technology out there. really kind of taken over. But it's still a challenge.
The text is interesting. And one other thing too is like, if you format your ebook correctly, it will speak perfectly well. If you format it wrong, like I've done this, like if it's not done in sort of an accessible way, and this is actual craft of creating these ebooks, you get a recipe that's a hundred steps long when it should only be four. if somebody didn't like
designate that and you ask your assistant, who I'm not going to name because it might make noise here during this podcast, to read you a recipe and it totally comes out wrong. It's because that book was not formatted correctly. It wasn't accessible.
Since you have so much knowledge in publishing and you're right at the forefront of all of this, make a prediction of, know, what's it going to look like in the future and how are, how are authors going to come around to be protected?
Well, obviously they'll use AMLIT, but no. think what we're talking about now is really interesting is like a distance of books that are AI augmented, AI used with that. Already on Amazon, they have the new Rufus AI assistant that is a shopping assistant. But what we're hearing inside the industry is it's like significantly lowering the sales of sort of the books in the middle because
Julie Trelstad (21:22.656)
Rufus is just selling the bestselling books to everybody, which is unfortunate. So it's really changing the way books are delivered and discovered. I think for individual authors, I hope very soon they'll start getting paid for their rights. Right now, there is a huge battle for copycats, like bestselling books are being ripped off right and left by AI editions. I hope that that era ends very soon, as does the scraping era, to the point where there will be
know, different opportunities for authors. I totally see like scientific, business, medical, instructional, how-to books, all that content, I think, will be used in AI and computer applications for the benefit of all of us. And authors really do hope we reap the benefit from that. I hope it opens up whole new markets for people who are thoughtful content creators.
So let's shift gears a little bit on the discussion. So today it's so easy to create content with name your favorite large language model. a lot of the talk out there is about how it's kind of this AI slop that's getting created. heard that term, AI slop. Absolutely, I hear it lot. There's so much content that it's all very low quality.
even accused of being AI slop.
Well, how do authors, how should an author think about writing books in today's world? How do they take advantage of the tools that are out there? How do they maintain their creativity, but at the same time lead the charge on being, on leveraging technology to its fullest? Kind of paint that picture
Julie Trelstad (22:58.254)
I would say don't just jump into chat GPT and start saying write me a book. Because I think that's where this sort of piracy is coming from and these lowest common denominators. I attempted to do a cowboy romance in an afternoon and it delivered enough words and a story, but it was terrible. It will never see the light of day, I promise. So I think what authors need to be is very discerning about their voice and more original and unique.
because one thing that AI can't do is original and unique. It can't write poetry in a way.
Because it's just that algorithm for spitting out the next 10 words, like you said earlier.
Exactly that. It's mathematical. It's a formula. It's a mathematical formula. I think my favorite way to use AI in writing is to walk and talk, to talk out a whole idea. I wrote my newsletter this way. And then I asked the AI to go in and organize it, and then I'll go in and edit. So it saves me a lot of time, but I'm still writing it. And there are things you can do with any of the chatbots now in the instructions, you know, and in any project you can
add information about this is my voice. I don't use dashes. I don't use these phrases. Please, I prefer short sentences, all that kind of thing. So that, and I do think that the authors, there will be authors, already are authors who are using AI. There's some great tools like pseudo-write and novel crafter that allow fiction writers to use AI tools to help them build very imaginative and creative worlds.
Julie Trelstad (24:31.714)
But it's not instant, it's not press a button and write. There's a lot of back and forth and a lot of the author probably behaving more like the editor than the author.
So think of AI as that editor, that thought partner, that person that you can bounce ideas off of and structure your idea. I like that. I do that a lot with the business ideas that I've shaped inside of ChatGPT.
Yeah, I like that a lot. And I really like using it as a marketing assistant. mean, probably the best thing you can get that to me is worth so much is like to go into Gemini and to do a deep research on competitive authors, competitive titles. And this is the kind of research that was nearly impossible to do in a very easy way just a year or two ago. Like I can go, can say, find me the 20 top romance authors.
Find me their Facebook profiles, find me their newsletters and their websites, and then I can go visit them. I can find out what they're up to. I can make friends. And it just helps you discover things more quickly.
I think that's certainly been our experience, right, Craig? mean, we're content creators. That's what we're doing with our podcast here. And we use AI all the time to help research and then promote what we're actually creating. So that's certainly very spot on advice.
Julie Trelstad (25:56.224)
Exactly. And the hardest job for indie authors is marketing. And I do think that a lot of the tools that are emerging with AI are making that job a lot easier, but authors need to know how to use it and they need to get good at it. I use AI to optimize Amazon listings and it's one of the best things it does. It's great.
That's great. Yeah, definitely. So, you know, we're not from the publishing world and you already mentioned a couple of tools. Why don't you tell us a few more AI tools that you've come across or you use, or maybe even outside of publishing things that you've used in your creative world that have really blown you away or big eye-openers for you.
Novel Crafter, I have to say, is really fun. It's missing the A in the second crafter. It allows you to research and write. My favorite part about it, the hardest thing I find about writing fiction is keeping track of all these characters. That does an amazing job of like, when did you mention this character and what scene did they show up in? It does that big sort of brain thing.
For nonfiction writers and other writers, actually there's this really cool tool called Editrix that was designed by a professional editor. And the AI, along with a human, will go through and edit your manuscript at a fraction of the price of hiring an editor of that caliber. And there are other tools like that. There's always Grammarly has been around for a long time. It's an AI tool. There's like ProWritingAid. That's a really good one as well. And there's a company, for instance, called Chapters.ai that
uses the methodology that I like, which is they will pair an editor with an author using the author doing a lot of interviews with the author and then creating a book proposal and a book out of those interviews.
Clint (27:37.58)
Certainly one of the ways for business leaders to stand out in today's world is to, know, it's age-old wisdom to go write a book on a topic, right? Go write a book on your industry, your solution that you have to become a thought leader. And I know for so many business leaders, the idea of writing a book is just daunting, right? Yeah. I've kicked around the idea a lot over the last couple of years. you're inspiring me to go. Yay.
look at these different tools and see if I can come up with, because I've tried to do some writing, more in-depth writing with Chat GPT, and it just, it starts kind of falling apart pretty quickly, right? It's great for short, short bits, but long, know, multi-page, multi-chapter. Chat GPT by itself is not the right tool, so I'm excited to go check out these other tools to help me frame some ideas.
Yeah, Chachi Petit changed the name of my cowboy halfway through the novel. Gave him whole different personality. was like, no, wait a minute, that's not who we were talking Anyway, yeah, there's a lot of really cool things. I think when you're thinking about writing a book for your business, think one great thing that's happening right now though is that you can write a shorter book. The rule of thumb used to be write a book that's 50 or 60,000 words, and in the old days we used to have what we called thud factor.
Like when I worked at Wiley in the 90s, like the heavier book, the harder it would thud when it fell on the floor, the more you could charge for it. I think people are now looking for smarter, smaller books. And when you have an ebook, there's no thud whatsoever. just saying it's like hyper-focus on one idea. And I think a lot of people like, my God, a book is so long, I have to write everything. It has to be really big. I would say solve like one problem, just like you are with a business. Like, and can you go really deep into it?
And then add case studies to it. So don't like write the story of your career, write about that one sticky little problem that you solved that is unique to you. And maybe it's something that somebody you admired, something like it, but you like take it further. If you are writing a memoir, that is a book about your business or stuff, again, choose one problem. Don't try to write the whole story of your career. Write about that year that you built a multi-billion dollar piece of software and then it crashed and failed.
Julie Trelstad (29:49.09)
You know, like one story with one lesson in it, and that's all you really need for a book. And then you can write it narrow, just like write the skeleton idea, and then go back and fill in personal anecdotes, fill in the details. I think that if I were recommending on like writing a book, I would do that now. And you probably could do that with AI, work with it to get that outline, and then sort of break it up into individual chapters and have like even a chat back and forth.
make the AI ask you questions and tell me ask me some questions about the situation. And it can really be a writing partner in that case. But you know, just
And would you use chat CPT for that or is there there tools like edit tricks that are there more.
The is for after you're done. Yeah, there's so many. You can use whatever your favorite chat, you know, go with you. You know, you're not. People are telling me that Claude is the nicest of speaking and writing voice. And I think Claude is also more trainable. Like you can really give good instructions to Claude. Another way to like train your AI to write with you and to be a writing partner is let it do a draft, then rewrite that draft. You know, only a page, maybe one page, two page.
Then upload that and ask your chatbot, what changes did I make? And stylistically and say, okay, then make these notes about my style. So basically what you're doing is you're, creating some comparison documents that tell the chatbot don't write it this way, write it this way, and then upload your preferences in the settings or in the project so that it gets better and better every time you do this exercise.
Clint (31:27.02)
That's excellent advice. And in there, when that business leader is writing their book in the way you just described, at what point do they engage with AMLIT?
When it's published. So you can't, the word published literally means to make public and you know, before it's published, no one should have access to it. It shouldn't be out and about in the world. But as soon as it's
published work, once it's a published book, then they work with AMLIT to get to get the ISCC number, right?
Correct. And currently, if you are a self-publishing author, you can go to AMLIT's sister company, Streetlib, which is an international book distribution company that allows you to upload your ebook or your audio book and send it all over the world to all kinds of different retailers in the United States and in Europe and in Asia and South America, everywhere. Africa too. But when you upload your book into that system, it automatically assigns an ISCC. And for now, at the time that we're talking, it gives the instruction.
AI stay away. you know, we still we don't have the licensing ability quite yet, but it will register it as a book that is yours. And if you find it copied by any nefarious player, you will be able to make a legal claim on that.
Clint (32:44.824)
That is really good advice.
do have a feeling we're going be seeing a book by Clint very soon. I can see it in his eyes. He's already planning this book.
I don't know, I've been threatening to write a book for a long time and it just always seems so daunting and I think the truth... If my neighbor can do it, why can't I?
him off the shelf or...
Julie Trelstad (33:03.316)
Definitely you can do it. These long projects are hard and to do them a little bit at a time and then like, my God, change your mind. It's also a good idea to bring in a human editor and for what we say a beta reader, somebody who can give you a good honest feedback and tell you right away if somebody not your family who's going to say that was very nice client.
You haven't met my family. My family's got no problem telling me if it's a guy.
Be careful.
There you go.
Greg (33:43.47)
Okay, it's time for this week's AI Challenge. Now the AI Challenge is a takeaway assignment for our listeners to get their hands on some AI tools and do some exercises.
This week's AI Challenge is, of course, inspired by our guest today. And it's all about learning to trust AI, specifically trusting the answers that come back from Chat Cheapie Tea. And how do you go about doing that? And how do you build it into your workflow so that you're always testing the answers and checking the answers? That's what today's AI Challenge will get you oriented to.
Yeah, look down into the show notes and you'll find a link that goes right to the blog. It's got all the instructions that you're gonna need. Now, if you have an AI story and business to share and wanna be on the show, go to www.promptthis.ai, go to the contact us, fill out the form and we'll be in touch with you.
Greg (34:43.81)
Well, the world of publishing is fascinating. And Julia, I've learned so much just in this conversation about how much I don't know and what I need to go learn. If people want to continue the conversation, reach out or learn more about AMLIT, where can they find?
Well, you can find Amlet at amlet.ai and you can find me at my author mentoring company is paperbacksandpixels.com if you'd like to talk to me or learn more.
Well, we've really enjoyed the conversation, Julie. Like Greg said, you've unlocked a whole world for us to dig into deeper ourselves. Hopefully our audience will as well. And we wish you the best of luck in driving digital rights advocacy for authors. I think that's a key thing that needs to be maintained as we move into this next world of AI technology.
Yeah, thank you. And buy those books.
and buy those books, you bet. Have a great day. And that's another episode of Prompt This.
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